Ed. Note: Romney spoke for about ten
minutes and then took questions for about the same length of
time. Audience members, most apparently connected to Iowa
Citizens for Community Improvement (CCI), badgered Romney for his
positions on what he would do to strengthen Social Security, Medicare
and Medicaid. [There is a lot of crosstalk, and some of the
audience remarks were difficult to hear and transcribe]. Romney
held his ground, and in the minds of some in the audience benefited by
standing up to the hecklers. However toward the end of his time
on the soapbox, Romney made his remark that, "Corporations are people,
my friend," which was quickly seized upon by critics. The DNC had
an ad up in
Des Moines with a couple of days.
Former Gov. Mitt Romney
Des
Moines
Register
Soapbox
Iowa
State
Fair
Des
Moines,
Iowa
Aug.
11,
2011
[DEMOCRACY IN ACTION TRANSCRIPT/C-SPAN video]
Carol, thank you. Thank you for the work of the Des Moines
Register, one of the great papers in America that keeps our democracy
free and open. Appreciate the free press and the work that you do.
It's good to have so many friends here today. What a great
day. This is fabulous. Isn't this something. Boy last
time I was here about four years ago—oh you couldn't quite hear, I'll
speak louder I guess. Does that work better? Yeah.
There's Brian Kennedy. How are you doing Brian? It looks
like I've stacked the crowd with a couple of old friends, and I
appreciate the fact that I'm here with folks that I've known for some
years and appreciate your help.
This is a challenging time. I wish I could start off with
terrific news about how well the country's doing and what bright
prospects people feel in their hearts right now, but right now most
people are concerned about the country and recognize that America's in
crisis. In crisis because we've got 25 million people about
that are out of work or have stopped looking for work or are in jobs
well beneath their skills. We've got kids coming out of college
that can't find jobs. We've got people who wonder if they can
stay on the family farm. We have people who wonder if
manufacturing is just going to leave our country and go elsewhere.
Iowa is not only a state that leads our nation in agricultural
products, but it's also a leading state in manufacturing. This is
an extraordinary state with a diverse economy, and Iowa's performing
and faring better than the nation as a whole, but the nation as a whole
is really struggling. And part of that reason is we're led by a
man who's a fine fellow, but he's out of his depth and doesn't
understand how the economy works. [applause]
I happen to believe that if you want to create jobs, it helps to have
had a job. [cheers] And I have spent my life in the private
sector. I have been doing during my career what you have been
doing, which is trying to make ends meet. My business helped me
start a company and then I helped work to try and manage enterprises to
make them better if I could, sometimes successful, sometimes not, but I
learned the lessons of a free economy over 25 years. And I
believe it's essential in Washington if we're going to turn around the
economy to have someone who knows how the economy works and who's spent
time in the real economy and not someone whose sole professional
experience is being a politician. Nothing wrong being a
politician, but let's send some citizens to Washington in addition to
some politicians to Washington. [cheers, applause]
I happen to think that the reason this recession was deeper than it
could have been and the recovery is more tepid than it should have been
is because the President just doesn't understand that his policies did
the exact opposite of what the nation needed. He said he wants to
create jobs and create the conditions that would let employers add
jobs. But ask yourself this.
Did promising to raise taxes help to create jobs? No.
Did Obamacare convince any small business to hire more people? No.
If you're an energy intensive business, did cap and trade and talk
about higher energy costs, prices cause anybody to add more jobs?
No.
Did Dodd-Frank, his financial regulatory reform, cause banks to give
out more loans? No.
On every dimension you can think of in this president's first
two-and-a-half years in office, the actions he took made it harder for
entrepreneurs to build businesses, for banks to loan money, for big
businesses to invest in capital and in people. And as a result
the American people are still suffering, and that's why I predict in
this
place on this day that in November of 2012 President Obama will not
carry the state of Iowa. [cheers, applause]
Now I happen to believe after a lifetime of work in the private sector
and then some service in the governmental sector, for only four
years— I liked my experience as a governor, it was a terrific
experience, but I didn't inhale politics. I'm still a business
guy and a private citizen. And I've learned from my business
experience that there are a number of things an economy has to do if
it's going to perform better than the other nations around us and allow
Americans to continue to have a standard of living that leads the
world. Let me mention a couple of them.
You have to have tax rates that are comparable with the competing
nations.
You have to have regulation and bureaucracy which is streamlined and
modern and which encourages the private sector as opposed to burdening
it.
You have to have trade policies that work for us not just for the other
guy.
You have to have energy policies that are intent to get America free of
our dependence on foreign oil.
You have to have the rule of law. And you might say well we have
the rule of law. Well, when the president puts his hand on the
scale of justice and says that we're going to give General Motors not
to the senior lenders, but instead to the UAW you question whether you
have the rule of law. And when the National Labor Relations Board
steps in and tells South Carolina you can't have a Boeing plant because
you're a right-to-work state, you don't have the rule of law.
Number six, you have to have institutions that build human
capital. We're a capitalist nation, but that means not just
capital of a physical nature, but capital of a human nature.
We've got to have great schools and universities, and immigration
policies
that bring in the best and brightest.
And finally, number seven, you have to have a government that doesn't
consistently spend more money than it takes in. You've got to
balance your budget. [cheers, applause]
Over these last several months we've watched people in Washington
debate about what we should do about the debt in this country.
And there were a number of people on the other side of the aisle who
consistently pleaded to raise taxes. And the people on our side
of the aisle said absolutely not.
Let me tell you a number of the reasons. One is we don't want to
take more people out of people's pockets—money out of people's
pockets. I don't mean people in your pockets; I don't keep
anybody in my pocket. That's very, very small; exactly
right. We don't want to take more money out of people's pockets,
number one. Number two, we know if government takes money out of
people's pockets, that's not going to help the economy. And
number three, government is already too big. During the days of
John F. Kennedy, government at all levels—the federal, state and local
level—comprised about one quarter of our economy, 27-percent.
Today government at all levels comprises about 37-percent of the
economy. We're inching closer and closer to a nation that no
longer has free enterprise. And so we insisted that we cut
federal spending, that we cap federal spending, and that we have a
balanced budget amendment, and that is the right course for America if
we're going to rein in the excessive growth of government.
[cheers, applause]
You know I don't know why the President is as misguided in managing our
economy as he is. Sometimes I wonder whether he takes his
political inspiration from the social democrats of Europe. I
don't think Europe is working there; I sure don't think Europe will
work here. I happen to believe that we got it right and they got
it wrong. I believe in freedom and opportunity
American-style. [applause] I believe in capitalism and free
enterprise. I believe in the Constitution as it was framed by the
Founders. [applause]
By the way, I like all the amendments, not just a few of them.
Those who've served in state government are particularly fond of the
Tenth Amendment. Those that don't know it, I'll give you the top
line. The Tenth Amendment says roughly this. It says that
those powers not specifically granted to the federal government are to
be reserved by the states and the people. And so when the
President imposes Obamacare on the entire nation, he not only puts in
place bad policy, he not only puts in place an entitlement we can't
afford, he tramples on the principle of the Tenth Amendment to the
Constitution, and that's why it's going to be repealed on day one of my
administration if I'm lucky enough to be president. [applause]
Let me tell you one more thing. I believe in the American
people. I know a lot of people these days are cynical and
skeptical. I love this country and I love the country because of
the people of this country. I've had the chance to go across the
country; I've met people across Iowa. Last time around we visited
a lot of counties here, made a lot of friends. This is a
fundamentally patriotic nation. We love America. Not just
for our rocks and rills and templed hills, we love America because of
the values that this nation has promoted around the world and preserved
for ourselves, for our descendants and for our friends around the
world. We love America. We show that love day in and day
out, and one way we show it is when the national anthem is being played
by placing our hand over our heart. That tradition began during
the days of FDR. He asked us to put our hand over our heart in
recognition of the blood that was shed by heroes proved in liberating
strife who more than self their country loved and mercy more than
life.
We love this country, and because of that love of this country, I'm
convinced that despite our challenges, and you know what they
are.
Fourteen trillion dollars in debt. Sixty-two trillion dollars in
unfunded promises by government. Jihadists that want to kill
us. Russia that's resurgent, with its energy resources.
China, that's now an assertive grand power. We face real
challenges in the world. But I'm convinced that the patriotism of
the American people, if combined with leaders that will actually tell
the truth and live with integrity and who know how to lead America back
to greatness, that we will rise to the occasion, overcome those
challenges and remain as we have always been the greatest nation on
Earth and the hope of the Earth. Thank you so much. Thank
you. Thank you. Thanks you guys. [applause]
Now I get to take a couple of questions here, so I'm going to take some
questions back here. Oh, you've got a written question here.
WOMAN: Gov. Romney, do you support scrapping the Social Security
payroll cap so [that?the] rich people pay their fair share to the trust
fund?
ROMNEY: Do I—, you have to repeat that please.
WOMAN: Do you support scrapping the Social Security payroll cap so that
rich people pay their fair share to the trust fund?
ROMNEY: You know it's, it's become very popular—the question was do I
support raising the cap on Social Security taxes so that rich people
pay their fair share. You know there was a time in this country
that we didn't celebrate attacking people based on their success and
when we didn't go after people because they were successful.
[cheers, applause] And I happen to think, I watch this president,
I've watched this president go across the country attacking people and
I— If you want to speak you can speak, but right now it's my
turn. So let me continue [applause], and that is this.
All the streets in America are connected. I've watched people
attack Wall Street. You know what? We're connected.
We're not going to tear down other Americans. We want to make
sure people do pay their fair share. Half the people in this
country pay no income tax at all, alright. So when we talk about
fair share we've got to think about what is a fair share for the
American people? But this we know. We don't want to raise
taxes on the American people. We don't want to grow government,
because government is too large already. We want to restrain the
growth of government.
And when it comes to Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, the
truth is the promises we're making 20 year olds, 30 year olds and 40
year olds have to be promises we can keep. And you may say we
should just raise everybody's taxes. Do you know what the tax
rate would have to be able to honor the promises of Social Security,
Medicare and Medicaid if we just raise taxes and leave the programs as
they are? Right now those programs combined take a payroll tax
out of your earnings of 15.3 percent. That would have to rise to
44 percent.
We're not going to do that. And so—
MAN SHOUTING: Sir, I'm on Social Security.
ROMNEY: I'm glad you're on Social Security.
Hold on just a moment. Hold on just a moment. Hold on just
a moment.
MAN: [continues to shout]
ROMNEY: You know what, I get a chance; I'll let you speak in a moment.
MAN: You came here to listen to the people—
ROMNEY: No, I came here to speak, and you'll get to ask a question—.
MAN: [continues to shout]
ROMNEY: Hold on a second. Hold on a second; I'll let you
speak. Hold on a second, let me— Hold on a second.
MAN: [continues to shout]...strengthen Social Security for the
future. Two thirds of my income and my wife's income come from
Social Security...
ROMNEY: Let him talk; let him talk. Go ahead.
MAN: ...We're also on Medicare. It's a tremendous program.
ROMNEY: It's a great program.
MAN: [continues to shout]
ROMNEY: Let's let him finish. Let's let him finish.
MAN: What are you going to do to strengthen Social Security, Medicare
and Medicaid without cutting benefits?
ROMNEY: Alright, let's get his answer. Okay you've had your
chance. Anything else you want to say?
MAN: Well I want to see what you're going to say. [audience
laughter]
ROMNEY: The way this is going to work. The way this is going to
work is that you get to ask your question, and I get give my answer.
MAN: All right.
ROMNEY: If you don't like my answer, you can vote for someone else, but
now it's my turn to give my answer. [applause]
You ready for my answer?
MAN: What's your answer?
ROMNEY: I'm not going to raise taxes. That's my answer. I'm
not going to raise taxes. [cheers, applause] And if you
want somebody that can raise taxes you can vote for Barack Obama, but
let me tell you what Barack Obama's doing. Barack Obama's killing
this economy. Barack Obama is why 25 million people don't have
jobs and can't find jobs and the—
CHANTS FROM AUDIENCE: Wall Street greed. Wall Street greed.
Wall Street greed.
MAN: By the way, Social Security...
ROMNEY: Okay, next question. We got another question? I'm
going to get it over here. Yes, sir?
MAN AND OTHERS: [continued shouting]
You've had your turn; I've had my turn.
MAN 2: As Governor of Massachusetts you closed corporate tax loopholes
on big banks to raise revenue and balance the state budget. If
you were elected president, would you do the same thing and look at the
revenue side of the equation to balance the federal budget?
ROMNEY: The question is as Governor of Massachusetts, I closed
loopholes on big banks that were abusing our tax system, and would I do
the same as president? Let me tell you—. Let's describe
what is a loophole and what's raising taxes. In my opinion a
loophole is when someone takes advantage of a tax law in a way that
wasn't intended by the legislation. And we had, in my state for
instance, we had a special provision for real estate enterprises that
owned a lot of real estate, and it provided lower tax rates in certain
circumstances, and some banks had figured out that by calling
themselves
real estate companies, they could get a special tax break. And we
said no more of that. You're not going to game with the
system. And so if there are taxpayers who find ways to distort
the tax law and take advantage of what I'll call loopholes in a way
that are not intended by Congress or intended by the people, absolutely
I'd close those loopholes. But there are a lot of people who use
the world loophole to say let's just raise taxes on people, and that I
will not do. I will not raise taxes.
MAN AND OTHERS: [continued shouting] ...fair share.
MAN 3: I've got a non-controversial question. Real
peaceful. I'm a peacock farmer, and a school teacher—sorry about
that—and I supplement my income as a peacock farmer. And since
the last election my peacock farm went away. I was thriving, was
going to add more people and did real good in the state of Iowa, kept
everything here. What can you assure me, if I support you, that
perhaps that maybe you'll make small businesses like mine, not only
mine but everyone in Iowa and the United States to be better?
ROMNEY: I can tell you this. I'm not going to send you checks.
MAN 3: No I don't want...
ROMNEY: I'm not going to promise checks. I know you don't want
them, but I want to make sure people know that.
MAN 3: I want to earn it.
ROMNEY: I'm not going to do what almost every politician does when they
get on this stage. And I'm not talking about this stage; I mean
figuratively. When they get on the public stage what they do is
get up to the American people and promise all sorts of free stuff and
say I'm going to give you this, and it won't cost anything. And
that's just not the truth. It's time in America to tell people
the truth. We have to earn what we spend. We can't spend
more than we earn year after year after year. [applause,
cheers]
We can't go to China and other nations and say give us your money, give
use your money so we can spend more than we earn. That's number
one.
Number two. I'm going to make America the most attractive place
in the world to start a business, to grow a business, to expand a
business of any place in the world, and I'm going to do that by making
sure that our corporate tax rates are the same as corporate tax rates
of
other nations around us. Right now they're the highest in the
world. I don't want them to be the highest in the world. I
want them to be competitive. I want our regulations to be
competitive and modern and up to date. I want our trade policies
to open up markets outside the U.S..
Look, agriculture is one of the biggest exports we have. People
in this state understand the importance of trade with other
nations. This president in two and a half years has not entered
into any trade agreements with any other nations. That doesn't
help us add jobs. Other nations in Europe and in Asia have put
together some 40 different trade agreements to open up trade. We
need to do the same thing. I'll make it easier for you to
sell peacocks, to sell peacocks to other nations if people want to
buy—what do they buy? Do they buy the feathers or what to they
buy?
MAN 3: ...feathers. I'm selling them over to the U.K..
ROMNEY: He's selling feathers to the U.K.. I'll help you get
feathers to the...[laughs] Thank you.
MAN 3: From Iowa.
ROMNEY: From Iowa. I want to make this a place that's great for
business because business is good for people and for jobs. We
want more good jobs and higher incomes and I want to make this a better
place for both. Thank you.
Back there. Let's ask that guy.
MAN 4: Gov. Romney I have a noncontroversial question as well.
ROMNEY: We've got a man back here who's asking a question.
MAN 4: Can I be next?
ROMNEY: No.
MAN IN AUDIENCE: Make Wall Street pay.
MAN 5: I'm a senior on Social Security; I haven't had a raise in two
years. Congress has voted itself a raise both years. Why?
ROMNEY: That's a darned good question isn't it. Alright the
question was this. He said he's a senior citizen, been on Social
Security and the last two years he hasn't seen a raise. Congress
has voted itself a raise in each of the last two years.
It sure would make an awful lot of sense wouldn't it, for Congress to
link their pay to what's happening to people on Social Security and
retirement. Congress shouldn't get a better deal than the people
on Social Security. [applause]
By the way, all this discussion about entitlements and Social Security
and Medicare, recognize, I and the other people who are talking about
this want to make sure we can keep those programs and that we assure
that the next generations know they will have those programs. And
I will to make sure—
MAN IN AUDIENCE: Scrap the cap then.
ROMNEY: You want to raise taxes.
MAN IN AUDIENCE: Scrap the cap.
ROMNEY: You want to raise taxes. That's your right. Vote
for somebody who wants to raise taxes.
MORE SHOUTING FROM AUDIENCE.
MAN: We're not going to vote for you then if that's what
ROMNEY: That's fine. That's the nation of a free society.
MORE SHOUTING FROM AUDIENCE.
ROMNEY: Look, we have up here a group of people who think we should
raise taxes in order to pay for their benefits. How many agree?
AUDIENCE: No [and hubbub].
ROMNEY: Okay, you've got your answer. I don't agree with
you. So your turn has been heard, you've got your chance to
speak; I've got my chance to speak.
MAN 4: I have not been heard, Gov. Romney.
ROMNEY: I'm going to take one more question.
MAN 4: Gov. Romney I've been asking a non-controversial—
ROMNEY: What's your name?
MAN 4: My name is Daniel Symonds, I'm 23 years old.
ROMNEY: Daniel Symonds, you're 23 and where are you from? Who
brought you here?
MAN 4: Social Security—
ROMNEY: Who are you working with?
MAN 4: Myself.
ROMNEY: You've got a little video camera here.
MAN 4: Social Security legally cannot add a single dime to the
deficit. Do you agree, do you agree—I'm also a teacher—do you
agree that Social Security should take no part, no part in deficit
reduction negotiations? That Social Security should take no part
in deficit reduction negotiations?
ROMNEY: That's your question?
MAN 4: That's my question.
ROMNEY: Okay, can I answer?
MAN 4: Answer it.
ROMNEY: Do I believe that Social Security should take no part in
deficit reduction negotiations. Is that the question?
MAN 4: Because it cannot add to the deficit.
ROMNEY: And the answer is this. Social Security, Medicare and
Medicaid account for about half of federal spending.
MAN 4: Not the deficit.
AUDIENCE INTERJECTION: A lie.
Let him talk.
ROMNEY: Just hold on. About half of federal spending. And
if we are ultimately, not just this year, but over the coming decades
going to be able to balance our budget and not spend more than we take
in we have to make sure that the promises we make in Social Security,
Medicaid and Medicare are promises we can keep. And there are
various ways of doing that. One is we could raise taxes on
people. That's not the way—
AUDIENCE MEMBERS: Corporations.
Corporations.
ROMNEY: Corporations are people my friend. We could raise taxes
on—
MAN IN AUDIENCE: No they're not.
ROMNEY: Of course they are. Everything corporations earn
ultimately goes to people.
LOUD LAUGHS FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE IN AUDIENCE.
ROMNEY: Where do you think it goes?
AUDIENCE MEMBERS: In their pocket.
ROMNEY: Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's
pockets. Okay. Human beings my friend.
So number one you can raise taxes. You can raise taxes.
That's not the approach I would take.
Number two you can make sure that the promises you make are promises
that we can keep. And in my view the areas that you have to
consider are higher income people receiving less rapid growth in their
earned benefits, in their inflators. If you don't agree with
that; you want to give wealthy people a bigger portion, that's your
right. I think we should have what's known as progressive
indexing. I think we also should consider a higher retirement
age. Those are things that should be considered as part—
AUDIENCE MEMBERS: [more shouting]
ROMNEY: That's my view. You may disagree with it; that's my
view. But my view is we do not make promises we cannot keep.
You guys, I want to say this. I appreciate the chance to be with
you. We've got a few folks up front who got here early to make
sure that they could make their voice heard. My guess is they
won't be voting for me. That's fine. We have a lot of
people running for office. They won't be voting for any of the
Republicans. They can vote for President Obama, but you guys are
going to be voting for the next president of the United States, a
person who believes in America, a person who will balance our budget, a
person who will not raise taxes, and I am that person. Thanks you
guys. Great to be with you. [cheers, applause]
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Transcript Copyright ©
2011 Eric M.
Appleman/Democracy in
Action.